Why so much confusion in Scripture? If you hate any man you have not the love of the father and therefore have not the love of the messiah. no, in no way do I or will I. you are a sister in Yehoshua (Jesus). Nowhere did I say gentiles were not included. Before the videos, though, an illustration demonstrating that Wilber, McKee, and 119 Ministries do not understand submission or servanthood.. The question came to the question of capital punishment in the Law. Never have we been so close, so happy, so at peaceTorah reading, Shabbat and the Feasts are absolute blasts! Its pretty easy. Simply Test Everything even test yourself. Isaiah 53! I was a Catholic for 15 years. Most understanding and teaching about Jesuss parables are without proper historical and cultural and *idiomatic* context. 12 (11) Then all Israel will hear about it and be afraid, so that they will stop doing such wickedness as this among themselves. A deeper torah came from Messiah taking us from head knowledge to heart actions. (3) But I am afraid that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, your minds will be led astray from the simplicity and purity of devotion to Christ. If God is going to judge us based on our sins, what kind of law book is He going to go by? Not until all is fulfilled? This is the very commandment you have heard from the beginning, that you must walk in love., So what is love? Cults have ways that they recruit people into their philosophy/ideology, making them members of such groups. Where do and how should I start in responding to them. Sean was prepared and did a great job refuting the HRM. Keeping The Law of Moses has nothing to do with salvation, but sanctification. Christians were first introduced by God in Acts 11:26. They are wonderful to celebrate because Jesus is in the details of those feasts. What am I defending? After 29 years of being a Christian, and reading the Bible with these preconceived notions taught by the Christian Church, namely, that the Law has been done away with since the resurrection, the Holy Spirit took the veil off my eyes one day during private study. Shalom! People criticize Christians for worshipping on the Lords Day (Sunday), yet they honestly believe that worshipping on Saturday is honoring the original Sabbath (Shabbat)! If the Architect is also the owner of the building, there are 3 stages. First is the blueprints. Those that condemn Christians for gathering on Sunday (Sun-day) are hypocrites! And while I applaud 119 Ministries for their teachings, I think that we should all continue to follow their wise advice and test everything they say against the backdrop of Scripture, just as the Bereans did when they listed to Rav Shaul (Apostle Paul) preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom in the towns that he and Luke visited. But the good news is that we are GRAFTED IN to Israel according to Apostle Paul in Romans 11. There is simply freedom in Christ which has been bought by blood. Truth has always been in opposition to manmade doctrines, opinions, and mainly pride. And before you say that the Torah or the Prophets have no value in your life read this: Rav Shaul (Apostle Paul to the non-Jewish converts of his day and modern-day Christians) even told Timothy in his second letter (2 Tim 3:16-17) All Scripture is God-breathed and is valuable for teaching the truth, convicting of sin, correcting faults and training in right living; thus anyone who belongs to God may be fully equipped for every good work. Please note that at the time Rav Shaul wrote this statement, the Tanakh (Old Testament) were the only written Scriptures available, either in Hebrew or Koine Greek. He is after all the Creator of the Universe who deserves the utmost reverence. After 30 years of my life, Ive seen and heard from Catholics, Baptist, Lutherans, Muslims, Agnostics, Buddhist, Jehovah Witnesses, and countless others. I have a feeling that your material will be sure to get through to him! Til then, youre just another feminized waster of what warriors created. Salom. (2Pe 3:15) and reckon the patience of our Master as deliverance, as also our beloved brother Shaul wrote to you, according to the wisdom given to him, . Teaching strict obedience to the law of Moses according to the New Covenant of Jesus Christ is where my inner spirit becomes troubled! Anyone not in one of the houses would also have a place in the house by binding themselves to HIM, in this way they become a sojourner. Which further down in Romans explains clearly that He freed us from the law of sin and death.not from the Law of God. 5 As for you, always be sober-minded, endure suffering, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry. 3:6 God has made US servants of the new covenant. 26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. This does not mean one is to go out and willfully sin because they have grace! Lets call the friend of my good friend David and the 119 follower he interacted with Brandon. My friend told me that David met with Brandon in order to discuss issues of theology and because of Brandons zeal about the new truths he was learning from 119 ministries (i.e. They are more incorrect than the HR people and the whole reason Christianity thinks they can behave like pagans and still be saved. My late father, a wise man, often quoted a saying: Better to say nothing and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.. I have personally discussed issues with these men and I disagree with some things and others they are right on point scripturally, historically, and otherwise. I just cant find a better instructor that the Author. God gave the Mosaic Law as the torah (instructions) associated with the specific covenant He had with the people of Israel. Its like they are obeying without any rules. I distinctly remember Rav Shaul telling Gentile believers the following in chapter 11: In that case, I say, isnt it that God has repudiated his people? Heaven forbid! I know I am sidelining, I do also understand every ministry has its flaws. Whose commandments? Torah was passed on orally. The passion for truth comes across as anger and hostility. If Christianity is the way, why are over 2/3 of believers walking away from God and why is divorce higher in Church than the world? If you aren't a Jew, then you were considered a Gentile. Obeying the law simply cant make you spotless or righteous. If Christianity is the way, why are over 2/3 of believers walking away from God and why is divorce and disease in Church on par with the world? Show me. . It sounds very cultic to me. But I will give it a read when I can. I think that many people misunderstand the way grace takes hold in our lives to transform us. Very enlightening as to prophecy about Jesus and that New Covenant. Oh foolish Galatians . The Jews believed that Simon Bar Khokhba was the Messiah. Sorry I couldnt make that more user-friendly. This 28 minute teaching gives great insigh. Then there is the construction of the building. Please feel free to comment on anything and ask questions. Not everything is clear this why we have to test everything the openly say and test everything preach. The issue is; where does one draw the lines? I have yet to meet anyone to date that believes they are saved by keeping any commandment. Even more critical, it is so clear throughout the NT that Paul himself fully observed feasts in Torah which he also testified was scrutinized and fully substantiated by the Bereansand charged us believers to perpetually do the same. a vehicle to disseminate Yahweh's truth and the whole Word of God to help others alsoseek, teach and live out the truth of the Word. The Law of God is for all and remains forever. It seems you and I agree on many issues as we discuss the core of our belief in the saving works of Jesus Christ. What people dont realize is the fact that his Torah/law was given so we would know what sin is! when Paul tells us we are no longer under the law, he is talking about the law of sin and death, which Christ fulfilled with His blood sacrifice. ( Matt.7:12, Matt. Theres no getting around Jesuss words here: 3 expounds upon the idea that were not brought into Israel and made Jews of a sort; were brought into Jesus and made into a whole new people group where our identities are lost, save for being identified as in Christ. What was written in our hearts? Christians overlook the scriptures and do not actually read what it is written. If I may add I think most people that oppose the observance of such things from a NT vs OT or Law vs Grace presuppositions are looking at it from a limited perspective. All one new man under one house, One Father through One Baptism. (Hithpael) If the Law is done away, we have no commandments. The false teaching continues on page 4: A couple of long time friends have gotten into this, including one who told me that my witness to him, even though it was years earlier, was a factor in his decision to follow Christ. Change), You are commenting using your Facebook account. Thank Rome for that. You must not listen to that prophet or dreamer of dreams.. and I dont really care about material things. Furthermore, todays Gregorian Saturday does not coincide with the original Shabbat created by YHVH according to the Hebrew lunar calendar. because they teach followers to obey Gods laws, but you believe we dont have to anymore because we are under grace. I did know the origins of the proto phonecian and the lineage of Hebrew cousin Aramaic/Arabic. Ill be sure to let you know when I do. By the way, unlike the Gentiles, I didnt need to be converted, since Ive always believed in the God of Israel. Also by Jesus saying He came for the lost sheep, hes fulfilling the messianic prophecy you spoke of from Jeremiah. It is sad that people credit Constantine with giving Christians a bad name (Which he did! This whole discussion plus all the supporting arguments and followers of the likes of trustinJC are nothing more that another part of the HUGE end times deception. God has an authority structure that even He almost never violates. Have all been fulfilled yet? Now dont go saying theyre getting lies now because even the leading theologian/apologist Daniel Lane Craig can explain how theres no pre-trib rapture in the Bible (I used to be a pre-tribber but no longer since the tares are taken **before** the wheat, etc.) Mary came on Sunday morning because the Sabbath had ended. What scholars are interested in is what PAUL meant by the term in the context of the passage itself and how his original readers would have understood the term. It is sad to see sites or blogs dedicated to tearing down fellow Believers in Jesus just because they understand doctrinal things differentally. But together we can search the Scriptures, focusing on what they actually say and understanding the simplicity that they contain, avoiding pitfalls and incorrect doctrine given by men. Jeremiah was also concerned that the Jews placed too much emphasis on the outward but did not have a circumcised heart . (As a RC, I was challenged at college by JWs, Muslims, Jews, etc. Well look at what God did to the 10 tribes (northern kingdom of Israel) who didnt keep His instructions and fell the way of doing what was right in their own eyes God DIVORCED them. Remember, the Spirit of God (Ruach Elohim) moved upon the face of the waters (KJV). See Seeker, I preach the gospel unto salvation first and foremost then I disciple. We believers should want nothing more than to love Yahweh and our brethren according to His desires. I understand your reluctance to read a book about Scripture written by a mere man, but I think God gave us wonderful minds to think and discern the truth and I cant find any errors in his logic. You can either put aside your wounded pride and hurt feelings and remember that God can use his servants to chastise those whom he loves. Heavy Burdens. Ive seen so many changes in the last 3 decades in Christendom. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. Its Jesus. Download our new app to: - Watch & Share 119 videos - Share Viral Graphics on Facebook, Twitter, and Tumblr - Use the Hebrew Roots Map to find others in your area - Gain Instant Access to Our Creator's Calendar The LORD I believe is separating the wheat from the tareswhich side are you on? I mean, its easy to kick around a lot of Hebrew words and say this is what it meant but if we look at one verse in particular, in this case Matthew 5:17, we find 119 Ministries and the Hebrews roots movement making the case that the Hebrew word for fulfill means uphold. Thank you for your encouragement! For many centuries, Christians have been wrongly taught, thanks primarily to Replacement Theology, that in order for my people to accept our Messiah, we had to become Gentiles by adopting their ways, which usually went completely contrary to what the Torah teaches. Tovia is incorrect in his beliefs of the Messiah and you have been misled. Matt. The concluding statement basically says we are under the law of God. That we would adhere to the Teachings that are now written in our hearts. I know exactly what you are saying, I was taught that too in the Christian churches. Do you want logical, scriptural truth? 3. to carry into effect, bring to realisation, realise However, no longer making the law of God applicable is an absurd translation. Who has deceived you? Thats where the concern should be not about people who want to live in obedience to YHWH out of love and appreciation for His gift of Jesus/Yehoshua. Because the guy himself said that he is open minded. -2 Timothy 4:1-5, 24 And the Lords servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil, 25 correcting his opponents with gentleness. Followers of every religion make similar claims of amazing positive changes in their lives. Do you even know what a cult is?? I believe salvation is by GRACE and FAITH alone! From all I can tell there is just a deception that falls over someone & they accept things they never would normally. Some are Very subtle, but still present. So, what is wrong with seeking the unpolluted Scriptures to return to Yahwehs original magnificent Word and testing if Pork and Sabbath/Feasts still apply? The problem with Jacob and his wives is yours, not Gods.. No matter how they try to spin their teaching, it is false teaching! We decided to do everything scripture told us to do and when something changed, THEN and only then would we. I will be their God, and they will be my people. Yes, it is the law of God inextricably given in great detail (613 commandments) to the people of Israel for their guidance as they were being prepared to enter the promised land and live as a holy nation unto God. It smells human and not at all of the same scent of Jesus in the gospels. I was never expecting a reply. Romans 6:14 Thought my time was up (re other post where I thought Id run out of time) but I did get a few minutes more.. Galatians was my go-to place of revelation and helping others see the light for a few decades. the one who accuses you is Moses, in whom you have set your hope. Oh well, so much for the false doctrine of once saved, always saved and the so-called license to sin because God is much to loving to punish us for willfully continuing in sin and lawlessness. We are all on a journey and name-calling has no place here on your ministry page. Jeremiah 31:3? Jeremiah 31:31-33 (capital letters for emphasis, not shouting). So there goes that. ( works of love demonstrations of love ..Jesus said he did not come of His own volition but God sent him ..God took action ..He did something because He cared but oh did it have a cost ! You do well, but even the demons believe and tremble. (John 3:16 paraphrase). Are you choosing to follow the law given to Moses by God for the Israelites to follow as they entered the Promised Land and became a sovereign nation unto the Lord? Did you happen to also point out that no penalty, much less the death penalty, was assessed for a man who married two sisters at the same time? Look in the book of Isaiah, of being born of a virgin. and the life was the light of mankind. Also look up what the Catholic church actually states about itself and how they changed the Sabbath. Again, perhaps we just view them differently. This is the mystery of the gospel. Christ in those who know Him! We arent required to keep 613 laws. 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